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		<title>By: Howard Lindzon &#187; Bearish Evidence Piling Up...Don't be a Blamer</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9347</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Lindzon &#187; Bearish Evidence Piling Up...Don't be a Blamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week I posted a rare bearish rant . It got a lot of play. I was just pointing out the obvious. This weekend, the media is having a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: greenskeptic</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9346</link>
		<dc:creator>greenskeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re right you Putz. I&#039;m long on China, but your comment about Chinese book-cooking is probably the scariest truth of the lot.

If our trusted financial stalwarts have been in the kitchen, why trust the Chinese? I mean, look at the lead paint/toy recalls. (Red paint? No, no red paint. Smirk.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re right you Putz. I&#8217;m long on China, but your comment about Chinese book-cooking is probably the scariest truth of the lot.</p>
<p>If our trusted financial stalwarts have been in the kitchen, why trust the Chinese? I mean, look at the lead paint/toy recalls. (Red paint? No, no red paint. Smirk.)</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lindzon</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9345</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Lindzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doug kass like....pls unsubscribe :) .  This blog has been immensely bullish until very recently.

Shorting is for Frank Gifford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doug kass like&#8230;.pls unsubscribe :) .  This blog has been immensely bullish until very recently.</p>
<p>Shorting is for Frank Gifford.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Gilbert</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9344</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love you stuff and agree with your strategy. In bull markets innovation, strong revenue growth and earnings growth are the way to go. I do however find the above a little Doug Kass like. I guess your 100% long in your equity account but that only represents 30% of your assets. Is that what you are saying? Markets have a way of destroying every style--- the father of Mo investing in the modern era is Richard Driehaus... If you don&#039;t understand that you can be taken to the woodshed in a tough market you will soon learn the pain of Mo. Hopefully you fill your arsenal with the ability to short!

Perma bears don&#039;t make any money but the ability to short keeps you in the game... you should research Robert Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love you stuff and agree with your strategy. In bull markets innovation, strong revenue growth and earnings growth are the way to go. I do however find the above a little Doug Kass like. I guess your 100% long in your equity account but that only represents 30% of your assets. Is that what you are saying? Markets have a way of destroying every style&#8212; the father of Mo investing in the modern era is Richard Driehaus&#8230; If you don&#8217;t understand that you can be taken to the woodshed in a tough market you will soon learn the pain of Mo. Hopefully you fill your arsenal with the ability to short!</p>
<p>Perma bears don&#8217;t make any money but the ability to short keeps you in the game&#8230; you should research Robert Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Lindzon</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9343</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard Lindzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new york pepole have a false sense of wealth security from ridiculous valauations becccuase they have a grocer and a joe&#039;s pizza downstairs :)</description>
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		<title>By: The Chad</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9342</link>
		<dc:creator>The Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in agreement, maybe a little worse than this even.

I don&#039;t remember exact numbers but the WSJ has been printing actual figures regarding how many billions in loans will reset *each* month for the next few years.

The subprime loans will continue resetting at an increasing pace until March &#039;08, peaking at almost $100 billion resets that month.  That compares to only about $30 billion from August &#039;07 to put it in perspective.

Next, figure that the foreclosure process can take anywhere from 3-9 months depending on the state laws and you are in the mid to late 2008 before we are even over the hump of foreclosures.

Now, on top of this, home values will be declining.  This will increase defaults for all borrowers who bought in the last couple years as they will be upside down.  This includes Alt-A&#039;s and prime borrowers.

The Alt-A&#039;s also took out ARM&#039;s and their resets don&#039;t even peak until 2009!  And there were more of these than Sub prime ARM&#039;s.

Bottom line is this will take years to burn off not a few weeks of &#039;write-downs&#039; before we&#039;ve even started.

Other than my father being a real estate agent and sister in the title business I&#039;m pulling all data from the WSJ.

BTW - I&#039;m in Austin, TX and the market is still strong but getting weaker.  Mostly because buyers are scared to buy a house due to the national subprime coverage rather than actual problems like other markets have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in agreement, maybe a little worse than this even.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember exact numbers but the WSJ has been printing actual figures regarding how many billions in loans will reset *each* month for the next few years.</p>
<p>The subprime loans will continue resetting at an increasing pace until March &#8217;08, peaking at almost $100 billion resets that month.  That compares to only about $30 billion from August &#8217;07 to put it in perspective.</p>
<p>Next, figure that the foreclosure process can take anywhere from 3-9 months depending on the state laws and you are in the mid to late 2008 before we are even over the hump of foreclosures.</p>
<p>Now, on top of this, home values will be declining.  This will increase defaults for all borrowers who bought in the last couple years as they will be upside down.  This includes Alt-A&#8217;s and prime borrowers.</p>
<p>The Alt-A&#8217;s also took out ARM&#8217;s and their resets don&#8217;t even peak until 2009!  And there were more of these than Sub prime ARM&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Bottom line is this will take years to burn off not a few weeks of &#8216;write-downs&#8217; before we&#8217;ve even started.</p>
<p>Other than my father being a real estate agent and sister in the title business I&#8217;m pulling all data from the WSJ.</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; I&#8217;m in Austin, TX and the market is still strong but getting weaker.  Mostly because buyers are scared to buy a house due to the national subprime coverage rather than actual problems like other markets have.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis Kneal is Larry Kudlows gay lover ... not that theres anything wrong with that

or is there?

I&#039;ll leave that for enquiring minds to decide</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Kneal is Larry Kudlows gay lover &#8230; not that theres anything wrong with that</p>
<p>or is there?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave that for enquiring minds to decide</p>
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		<title>By: myagito.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bear Case by Howard Lindzon</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9340</link>
		<dc:creator>myagito.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Bear Case by Howard Lindzon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This entry was posted by Wallstrip&#8217;s chief blogger Howard Lindzon: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: maximo</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9339</link>
		<dc:creator>maximo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Howard! This is not the time to be a hero. The ups and downs are sure bearish signs and the shit in China will blow so hard it won&#039;t be funny. That&#039;s not too say the growth won&#039;t continue at a slower rate. It&#039;s been a great run for a lot of people such us yourself who know how to move money fast in a profitable way...and when I look to the web for advice it&#039;s because I don&#039;t want to hear the stupid and reckless remarks from an asshole like CNBC&#039;s Dennis Kneal who thinks everythig is just rosy. The guy has never run money, so what the hell is he doing giving investment advice on the tube? You are a rightous dude, Howard!  And I&#039;m posting this on my site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Howard! This is not the time to be a hero. The ups and downs are sure bearish signs and the shit in China will blow so hard it won&#8217;t be funny. That&#8217;s not too say the growth won&#8217;t continue at a slower rate. It&#8217;s been a great run for a lot of people such us yourself who know how to move money fast in a profitable way&#8230;and when I look to the web for advice it&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t want to hear the stupid and reckless remarks from an asshole like CNBC&#8217;s Dennis Kneal who thinks everythig is just rosy. The guy has never run money, so what the hell is he doing giving investment advice on the tube? You are a rightous dude, Howard!  And I&#8217;m posting this on my site!</p>
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		<title>By: bocagirl</title>
		<link>http://howardlindzon.com/the-bear-case/#comment-9338</link>
		<dc:creator>bocagirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with you Howard.</description>
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